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PostSubject: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:32 pm

The God I serve created men and women. He also created the act of Love making. This might be a primary reason I try to hang out with him?

The act of Lovemaking is normal, and if someone says it is not, they are sick and perverted and so I post this in order to speak my peace against them.

If people want to film themselves in the act of Lovemaking how can you complain? It is normal to Love the opposite sex, and so how can it be bad.

I personally enjoy sex a great deal and I am not ashamed of it, as I feel it is normal.

Any thoughts ?

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:34 pm

I am not talking about children here, but adults only. So don't throw out the child thing, it will not work.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:44 pm

If adults want to do this it is OK. If anyone forces themselves on any child it is wrong period.
I am not talking about forced child porn here, but consenting adults.

I hate perverts.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:41 pm

porn is dirty and nasty.....because it lacks love

lovemaking and porn are totally different......

lovemaking can be used to reach spiritual hights.......and lovingly bond with your partner......

porn however is all about sense gradification.......

porn is the way the illuminati want sex to be acted out........ love less .......

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:44 pm

i have alot more to say about this but i don t have time now.......so ill respond in depth later.....

NO PORN IS NOT GOOD BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINEATION.......SORRY

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:19 pm

You have your opinion and you are welcome to it. If you think porn is bad, then how can you make love tonight to your loved one?

Why is it Zuni that you think naked is OK but sexual activity on film is not??

Why is it that you like to get naked but deny my right to watch you get naked?

Why is it that you claim to be liberated but you can't handle the fact that I want to see you naked?

Porn is a system standard that they use for stupid people to put the stupid people on the course of not looking at the big picture, and causing them to be distracted.

How can you be for naked, but deny me my right to watch porn?

Are you a hypocrite .

I look forward to your response.

this is a can of worms, and if you want to argue about it, then that is an example of conditioning by the system. Are you brain washed?
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:26 am

The reason I posted this is for the sake of discussion. I expected almost all that will respond will argue that porn is bad as that is how we have been taught since birth, or at least most people have.

Porn like you said Zuni is about sense gratification I totally agree with that. It is also about something humans do in the natural process of living. Sexual activity is built in and that is probably why there is so much porn to start with.

I just happen to think if people want to watch it, they should be able to without being ostracized or being cast as evil or perverted.

The thing about walking around naked in public if that was considered normal, to me is different than porn.

Just because something is considered sense gratifying does not make that evil. There is a place for sense gratification since we all have senses.

Porn is like all things, it should be done in moderation. Anything over done is bad.

Your post Zuni is typical of the response I thought I would get. I respect your opinion Zuni and do not think for a minute you are a hypocrite as you are entitled to think any way you want to.

Your explanation about using Love in attaining spiritual heights is also right on as I see things, I agree with that thought totally.

Porn is a hot button for most people, I understand that. It is OK to me if people disagree with these thoughts, frankly I did not expect more than 1 or 2 responses to this post, as most people just don't want to discuss it as it makes many uncomfortable.

So I am glad Zuni you responded.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:47 am

I guess the problem I have with this is the definition I have of porn vs filmed lovemaking Gabe. To me porn is generally demeaning to women and made for the satisfaction of men. I understand this isn't always the case, but it ranks right up there with violence for me as the storyline generally is and it is acting. Filmed lovemaking with the consent of both partners and either kept for their personal enjoyment or shared with their consent is another matter. I see nothing wrong with it as long as those boundaries are respected.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:31 am

good morning, gabe and zuni, et al
***
first off, in a discussion like this one, it might be
useful to define our terms - "porn" has different
meanings for everyone
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as is predictable for my self, i am somewhere in
between gabe's and zuni's opinions/feelings
***
i remember making making a post in another thread
where the distinction was made between
sexuality and sensuality/lust and love/naked and nudity....
***
for some reason. we have been taught to be ashamed
of our nakedness, we have been encouraged to subvert
our true natures - from what i understand, the europeans
are way more relaxed about sex and nudity and
therefore not quite as perverted about it (i've always
admired them for that)
***
in porn, as in most things, there is high quality and low quality
and much in-between... i would say the first would include a
more artful depiction, arousing feelings of beauty and joy
the second is manipulated to elicit lust and baser responses....
the lust and baser responses are result of taboo and guilt for
our naughty thoughts and this is where brainwashing is evident....
and this is only one aspect of "life" where the controllers-that-were
have played their mind games, performed their psyexperiments....
***
rick steves is a guy who does a travel show for PBS and some
of his footage from europe was not shown: of nudity depicted in
paintings and sculptures, by the masters - displayed in magnificent
museum spaces - i think we could agree the art is not porn and
yet it was defined as such when it was censored - good grief
***
most of the "sleazy" porn i have seen is boring, especially after you
watch outtakes or behind the scenes stuff so you know how they
create their movies, vids and photos - the contrived holds no interest
for me - i do not consider playboy or hustler as porn nor do i consider
well-written erotica as porn, it's too bad the films made don't use
well-written, erotic scripts, but i suppose it's a money thing
***
porn reflects the same kind of duality as every other life experience,
it can be depicted / perceived in beauty or in ugliness,
it could appeal to the best in us, but panders to the lowest,
the potential is there to inspire love and passion, yet too often it ignites rage and violence,
i could go on and on
***

soapbox

***
but i won't
***

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:39 am

Lightning222 wrote:
I guess the problem I have with this is the definition I have of porn vs filmed lovemaking Gabe. To me porn is generally demeaning to women and made for the satisfaction of men. I understand this isn't always the case, but it ranks right up there with violence for me as the storyline generally is and it is acting. Filmed lovemaking with the consent of both partners and either kept for their personal enjoyment or shared with their consent is another matter. I see nothing wrong with it as long as those boundaries are respected.


morning, lightning

you shoulda seen the lightning show we had
here last night .... all around us, most of it illuminating distant
clouds with no competition from electric lights or moonlight ....
there was no rain or thunder and the skies above were
clear with stars out - lasted for hours, was epic

oh, and i agree with your comments here
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:33 pm

zuni wrote:
porn is dirty and nasty.....because it lacks love

lovemaking and porn are totally different......

lovemaking can be used to reach spiritual hights.......and lovingly bond with your partner......

porn however is all about sense gradification.......

porn is the way the illuminati want sex to be acted out........ love less .......

I agree with Zuni, some women I know have had a hard time with abuse from men in their life and that makes them feel used and abused just like a piece of meat.

I know a lot here wouldn't agree because we have all lived different lives but my own personal thoughts is porn creates base thoughts in a lot of men to incite negative base feelings and thoughts towards women.

That's just my thoughts and I am allowed to have them as a free thinking person just as everybody else is. IMHO I cannot imagine Jesus my Lord who I believe in wanting to shoot the breeze and sit down and watch some porn but that's my opinion, everyone is allowed as I said to have their own opinion.

I think it is a base negative use of women to be used for gratification of men, just mho again.

I wont be arguing about this, you can argue with me all you want but I wont be changing my mind as I have a free mind to think how I want.

Edit: On the other hand I will bloody argue if people want to, no skin off my nose, been through worse in my life, a lot bloody worse; but I am going out today Sunday with ma, sister and sister-in-law to celebrate mum's 87 birthday so when I get back from that later on in the afternoon I will be checkin in here for replies, I will not be hiding and then I will continue if people want to debate, been there, done that, sold the bloody t-shirt as Norval used to say.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:39 pm

Nice response Biggs and Lightning. I agree with you both because you made so much sense.

Like Lightning said about the definition being the point.

All the things you say about porn leading some men to be predators is also true and it is sad.

I am glad you all responded as I was interested in what response I might get. As usual common sense seems to prevail here, with a healthy dose or reality.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:41 pm

Well thanks Gabe.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:57 pm

I posted this title as "porn is good" just to get response. I know most people do not want to talk about it.

I agree with all that is said here. I am not promoting porn here but to provoke a response. It is interesting when we talk about things like this many want to ignore it, but the response here has been great because it has caused me to see many different angles and problems.

The thing I take away from this is the definition of porn. And that is where all the division occurs, because everyone has a different definition of what porn is.

This is a great illustration of how the word "Religion" is always so poison to most readers? Everyone has a different understanding of what it actually is.

So anything Religious is trouble, just as anything porn is trouble. It is all in the individual perspective?

Please don't think I am promoting porn, I have way to many other things in my life just as you do to trouble myself with this stuff.

But nevertheless it was an eye opening exercise for me.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:19 pm

Gabe, this is one of the reasons this forum is soo successful because we can all discuss any topic and still respect each other's differing points of view. When we all are on the same page but come at an issue from a different viewpoint I am always amazed. cool beans

WH brough up another point which I did not express very well, Erotica vs. Porn. My take is that Erotica is attempting to fill a need in a tasteful, respectful way where Porn (in my view) is taking nudity and sex to a distasteful level. Again we come to the point of definitions and this is my personal view.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:40 pm

Gabe to let you know I haven't ignored your thread as I've being doing house renovations all weekend and finally have time to respond.

I think it's well clear now its about definition of 'Porn' and about perspective. A young male is subjected to this topic from an early age (well where I live) When I was 11 or 12 staying over at a friends house with another 5 or 6 boys I awoke to hear this moaning and groaning sound. I walked down the stairs to see a bunch of boys glued to the TV watching an episode of porn, this was my first introduction. It is bombarded at all angles to instil the social programming whether from advertisements or peer pressure. I can see where zuni is heading with it as a tool of tptb to distract us. It's one of the most profit making industries ever, for good reason. On the other hand what people do behind closed doors without the harm of others is their business and usually is a private one.

Anyway Gabe you know how to stir up a conversation.


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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:53 pm

Any abuses of the sex functions are counter productive from a spiritual evolution perspective. It doesn't mean people won't stop doing that, in the same way that people don’t stop smoking, eating too much, drinking etc. The list of distortions available to thwart your evolutionary process is a long one and porn is just one of them. Porn is toxic on some levels, but so is alcohol.

Why single out porn? One reason is probably due to the multiple-whammy factor from an illuminati perspective:

1. Encourages people to place their attention in a polarised way that is not aligned with an expansive evolutionary flow

2. Creates divisions (see this thread for an example of how subtle that can be), additionally owing to the taboo nature of it, it leads to blockages of communication – leading also to

3. Creates guilt, hang-ups and conflicts

4. Creates markets (the ultimate evil!!!) – The porn market was a huge money earner for the dark forces at one time. The internet has destroyed some of this, but the ease of “availability” serves other aspects of the agenda.

5. Fosters abuse and other forms of distorted co-dependent relationships

If I was an illuminati denizen I would definitely ensure that pornography was both easily acceptable, but at the same time “illegal” just for the added twist of ensuring that it is all or mostly done behind closed doors and in “secret” making people who indulge feel conflicted and unwholesome, yet what could possibly be wrong with it? I would pay "pyschologists" to do studies finding it harmless (or even beneficial!) - and then I would pay others to find the opposite (just to proove I care - lol). I would fund people to fight for the rights of pornographers, and I would fund others to fight against them. All the time keeping people like I used to be in confusion, but somewhat obsessed with the guilty pleasures of watching different kinds of sex on the internet! I’ve been to the depths of the internet and back - initially because I didnt like being told what I could or could not do and was sort of compelled to do it all. Looking back I don’t regret it, I am glad I have experienced the trap and how it works from a good many perspectives.

Here is an interesting question: would you censor all Porn? (All / Some / None)

I would not.

If your answer was some, where would you draw the line?

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:50 pm

Well if it would stop men raping or forcing women then I suppose I wouldn't censor it; but then there would be a black market for it wouldn't there.

But now I have said that above I see it as a double edged sword because looking at porn might push some men to go and rape women. I give up.

But I like your answer AJ so thanks for that mate, you said it a lot better than I could have. sunny
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:34 am

Alcohol can make men violent as well, and violent toward women in cases.

There is an argument that pornography provides an "outlet" that avoids some kinds of crime in reality. (I can see this, but I don't buy it as an argument in general - it seems to fall into the camp of two wrongs making a right).

There is another difference with porn, in that once created, that porn artifact can be spread many times to many "consumers". In someways that too is self defeating, as it is in the nature of the porn aficionado (!!) to require different porn each time. The same porn is not appealing when there is the prospect of some different porn, portraying even um, more compelling ideas, kinks, perversions, etc. I don't know how much porn you have seen, but there are even "fashions" in kinds porn. I want to avoid graphic descriptions here - for example: for example: 70's porn - in a word hairy; whereas 90's/00's porn - women and men, shaving all but their faces/heads and lots of surgical augmentation.

We are a funny bunch of monkeys. ET's and higher dimensional beings must really laugh at how dysfunctional we are with our bodies and all the unnatural things we find to do with them.

I think - on the whole, we will as a race, evolve past all this and it will soon be a dull memory.

Once people start to tell the truth a bit more and not hold things "in secret" or over do certain pleasurable body functions, learning the higher functions of sex, learning to enjoy actual life instead of hiding away doing odd things with the body and mind, and not worrying about what people think of them etc, it will all work itself out.

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:35 am

Excellent responses both reuniteR and John. I was trying to stir a response just to get different thoughts about this subject. But as John showed above, would you just stop at porn as it concerns censorship?

As bad as porn is at gratifying the senses, or the carnal nature of man, the flesh side of man, it just shows how when something is censored, it attracts some people to it just by that angle.

I think I will change the title of the thread to "is porn good ?", because of the responses I have gotten from everyone.

It may be better to title it that way, as to give the false impression that I am for porn and bad attributes that some humans bring into it, like all the violence attached to it by some.

So I stand corrected in my title of this post, as it was a mistake to title it the way I did just to get a response as it may leave a bad impression to those with perhaps less understanding as to what the purpose here was.

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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:07 am

Maybe I am coming at it just from the female perspective Gabe, which probably differs maybe to men or maybe it is just me personally I don't know anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: IS PORN GOOD ?   Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:25 am

Your thought are good that I have read biggs, you are doing just fine dear sister as you contributed to this thread very well.
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